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I agree with the comment from NewFiGuy. 30-40% is a low number. Try over 50% in many states. These middlemen PPO and speciality PPO networks that are backed by private equity are a big part of the problem. And they are extorting serious $$ from providers to benefit themselves. They care nothing about injured workers. Joe, you have addressed this topic before and have disclosed you consult with one of these types of networks I refer to. We providers are no fans of them and I think you know that.

To suggest providers will go out of their way to rip off employers/payers is just not something I understand. Most states like the one I am in (AZ) has a regulated fee schedule and utilization review checks for any runaway case. AZ uses ODG. I can tell you from a PT perspective our cases and visits are monitored closely by adjustors and case managers. Frankly, we really do not need these third-party middlemen keeping an eye on us. I do not feel they offer any value to the process while just extorting $$ from providers. Not just some $$, but a lot! I don't think any diligent and good intentioned provider would have a problem doing business with any of them if they paid us fairly and did not treat us like imbeciles. There is one PT/therapy network out there that tries to do things differently, but there model is still using discounts. I get why. It's easy. But tracking outcomes and value in these cases is the only way to really get results in my opinion. Stay well.

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🤣🤣🤣 - PT providers can’t raise prices. The middlemen take 30-40% for doing nothing.

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